If you repeat the same thing over and over DO you believe it?

Once again there were some points raised in this video by Mark Simmons that condemned Seaworld AGAIN.

If you repeat things over and over do you start to believe your own lies?

Lets pick up what Mark Simmons had to say.

Point 1 
at 2.10 - Talking about Blackfish and how he talked for 3 hours but his comments were cut and condensed. Seems to be missing the point that 3 hours of listening to Mark Simmons would have been impossible and he would have known that at the time, (no film is that long) and his comments were not dubbed or changed. IT WAS HIM SAYING THOSE THINGS.
Strangely in his Seaworld interview, he also moaned about talking for 3 hours again it still doesn't alter the fact that IT WAS Mark Simmons and he DID say the things he did in the clip.

Sounds very familiar doesn't it? Infact almost word perfect.

Point 2 -
The sensationalism of this one  incident by one whale, who was not a Seaworld whale - ONE??? What about Alexis Martinez KETO is a Seaworld whale what about him??What about Daniel Dukes, what about Annette Webber, John Silick, Annette Eckis, and all the other poor trainers involved in these incidents?? How disrespectful can you possible be?


Point 3
He brought Tilikum from Sealand - really?
Seaworld and Sealand both were chastised by NOAA

 After it was mentioned that NONE of the Sealand orcas should be on display and Tilikum may be better off being rehabilitated back to Iceland, Brad Andrews pre empted that and contacted the Icelandic government to prevent it.

Is Mark Simmons saying he was party to all this underhandness which can be proven in the documents above?

Point 4

 2:41 - Now Tilikum isn't a Seaworld whale, he wasn't brought up in the Seaworld system, but as you see above Seaworld were involved with Tilikum whilst at Marineland and they claim him as theirs over and over when trying to prove their longevity figures. Thanks for straightening that Seaworld lie out Mark.

Point 5

It took 2 days to convince me to participate in the film - lot of convincing then seeing as you talked for 3 hours and then had a beef that it wasn't all used lol.

Point 6

Seaworld would have terminated John Hargroves job had they been aware of it. Strange dont you think that is it at least 5 years old and only happened to appear the same week as the book release? 

Yet Seaworld were cited themselves for the exact same thing themselves 

Point 7 

at 6:04 Mark left in 1996 so hasn't been a seaworld trainer for 19 years. 

               6:43 Not one incident in the 14 years him and his wife worked at Seaworld

 That would make it 1982 so lets check.

Check yourself how many incidents there were at Seaworld during those times. HERE  Most are taken from Seaworld's own animal profiles. Who's fault are they Mark? You can't say these aren't Seaworld orcas can you? 

Point 8

 - 6:50 You are right Mark, they are not faceless beings, they do have their own personalities, they are all documented in their Animal Profiles too. You might find Orkid's interesting seen as she has been attacking trainers since she was one year old. As she was born in 1988 her attack history alone blows your not one incident line out of the water.

Point 9 

 - 7:10 You are quick to point out Corky's personality training the trainers, but as you were quick to point out Tilikum isn't a Seaworld orca trained in the Seaworld system as an excuse for Dawn, presumably the same excuse for Daniel Dukes wouldn't it be correct to do the same for Corky, she was captured in 1969 and didn't arrive at Seaworld until 1987, if not being trained by Seaworld is the issue for Tilikum, wouldn't it be the same for her, Ulises,

 

Point 10

As for your own book, I sent you this many months ago to which you said you would reply when you were not busy. I'm still waiting as many people conflict the thing YOU have to say about Keiko too.

If you expect John Hargrove to defend things that have been documented and logged on profiles and court reports with regards to Blackfish then surely the same should apply to you, especially as Robin Friday your colleague in Ocean Embassy also says the Keiko Project was a success.

I look forward to your reply and if you have lost it, here it is again

Seaworld liars v John Hargrove

I love the way Seaworld deal with things and their choice of people to argue a case.

You could call this article spot the liar really but lets look at it

Firstly the video opens with Steve Aibel, who wasn't far from being a statistic himself. He must have forgotten that Kyuquot did this to him

Next up is Jeff Andrews saying 'he says one thing one day and another another day'. Bit hypocritical from the VERY man who stood up and lied in court blaming Dawn Brancheau for her own death admitting that he hadn't even read the Orange County reports or seen the autopsy reports. Seaworld have always maintained since, that they never blamed Dawn.
This is a huge lie as Jeff Andrews did EXACTLY that and it is all documented in the court files for all to see.

 We then move onto the comparison between John's book and statements made in the past. Notice all those statements they show are whilst he was working for Seaworld and we have heard over and over from many employees that loyalty is demanded from Seaworld not earnt.

Julie Sigman is next up totally ignore the reference to her in Johns' book and the fact that he was pleased Takara was not pregnant, seeing as Trua is in a different park and so is Kohana, but then Seaworld say they don't separate mothers from calves don't they. Yet another lie.

Interesting they then choose to roll out Brad Andrews, the very man who has lied over and over.

During the transaction for Gudrun Brad Andrews repeatedly denied all knowledge if how Kamagowa false killer whales could be traded for Gudrun.
Yet the paperwork and the flight records show not only did he know, he was there and took the flight to Holland WITH them

Brad Andrews again lies about Tilikum. This letter from NOAA shows that Seaworld were already advising Sealand on killer whale care, prior to the birth of Kyuquot, so it isn't a cut and dried, they closed we bought as Seaworld want everyone to believe, otherwise NOAA wouldn't have been in a position to kick Seaworld's butt for this would they?

Brad Andrews - Daniel Dukes
Brad Andrews said -

Not an indicator of aggressive behaviour, and to this day Seaworld still say they don't know what happened. Daniel Dukes, medical examiners report shows a different story, with both pre and post mortem injuries. His genitals were avulsed (pulled off) by Tilikum whilst he was still alive, are you telling me that there would be no splashing or noise when that happened?

The press reporting on the court case from Daniel Dukes parents, also show

Do you believe someone like Brad Andrews doesn't know what went on in that pool?

Then there is this little snippet that Seaworld put forward as 'evidence'

Seaworld are obviously still in the mindset that everyone does as they say, did they not think that people would read all of the quote they found, instead just reading the bit they wanted us too?

Anyone who had researched San Antonio Seaworld prior to the book release would also have come across interviews from Bridgette Pirtle who worked with John and confirmed the trainers increasing frustration at Seaworld spending money on anything other than those orcas.
This one shows how both trainers felt at San Antonio.

In this one she shares the trainers disappointment

This also backs up what John Hargrove has to say.

The last few comments in the video also prove that despite what Seaworld say, not all the trainers on Blackfish were sacked trainers.
ALL of the people commenting say John CHOSE to leave Seaworld, so Seaworld once again debunk their own lies.

Lastly Wendy Rameriz, who was John's room mate and good friend, she lied in her previous video which really hurt John, why did she do that?
A personal low for the former trainer came via his colleague and good friend, Wendy Ramirez. Currently employed by SeaWorld, Ramirez outwardly lied, Hargrove said, when she filmed the video below and accused him of hitting, "his head on the side of a pool jumping into a shallow area." Ramirez then concluded, "it had nothing to do with the animals at all." 

 In direct contention with Ramirez' statement and Kyle Kittleson's  is SeaWorld's own 69-point critique of the 'Blackfish' documentary. "If you look at point 49," Hargrove explained, "SeaWorld writes in the first sentence that my injury 'had nothing whatsoever to do with any whale'. Yet in the next sentence," he added, "they describe me as doing a footpush into a stageslide. Did I jettison myself across the stage?"
Hargrove said SeaWord's final version of how he injured his face occurred during a park-wide employee meeting, held in San Diego in mid-May. An insider informed him that Robbin Sheets, the Assistant Curator at Shamu Stadium, had accused him of performing a dangerous maneuver with a killer whale:
In reality, I was doing the same run that I always did, the only difference was the speed of Corky, which was abnormal in that situation. That's what caused the injury to happen." Hargrove said he was jettisoned, "so abnormally fast by Corky, that it caused another senior trainer I was pre-planned to tackle on stage, to back out out of the way.   This other trainer's own words at the time, were, "you were going way too fast ... there was no way I was going to let you hit me that hard'." Hargrove's injury itself was documented, the former trainer said, but he received no oral or written warning from SeaWorld management: If I had screwed up, it would have been documented in my file. And none of that exists. There is no documentation of anyone ever having a conversation with me over a run that was too dangerous, because it wasn't.


What I find really laughable about this video is Seaworld have chosen all the people who have be proven by official documented evidence to be liars, to call someone a liar.

Great call Seaworld, pick up your toys and put them back in the pram. Liars will NEVER prosper.

Why you should believe John Hargrove

The likes of Awesome Oceans' Eric Davis think its quite right to diss John Hargrove, seeming to forget how long he has worked with killer whales and how long he has served at Seaworld, so lets take a look.

In 1993 Hargrove, at age 20, was hired as an apprentice trainer at SeaWorld San Antonio.

 In 1995 was transferred to SeaWorld San Diego, where he worked until 2001, ultimately being promoted to a Senior Trainer at Shamu Stadium.

Immediately after resigning from SeaWorld California Hargrove was hired by Marineland in France. In France Hargrove conditioned and performed in-water interactions with orcas that had never been in the water with trainers before.

 He then left the industry until March of 2008, when he returned to SeaWorld in San Antonio where he was promoted to a Senior 1 trainer at Shamu Stadium.

 He worked there until resigning in August 2012. 


So in total since the age of 20 he served 14 years at Seaworld and 2 years at Marineland Antibes.

Only 7 days after resigning he was interviewed for Blackfish and prior to Blackfish being released was interviewed by CNN which you can see here 

Wasn't John Hargroves the same person who the Seaworld fans cheered and whooped for as he dove and swam with the killer whales during his 14 years in their shows? Isn't it a bit hypocritical to turn on him now for stating his opinion on how everything was behind the scenes.

There isn't just him to back up that story, for many years he worked with Bridgette Pirtle who also echoed his concerns in an interview given in 2013. She accuses Seaworld of lying over and over and not even trying to be subtle about it. 

Former SeaWorld trainer Bridgette Pirtle talked about why she decided to leave SeaWorld after 10 years as a killer whale trainer.
“To have the lies slowly unveiled to us even more so in a court of law, just seeing these people you trust your life with, you trust these animal’s lives with and they’re lying, and they’re not even trying to be subtle about it,” said Pirtle, who lives in San Antonio.
Pirtle fell in love with killer whales long before she got a chance to train them. A family trip to SeaWorld Orlando when she was three years old inspired her to pursue a career in killer whale training. After spending a couple years working as a food server at SeaWorld San Antonio, Pirtle was able to work her way up and become a senior trainer, a position she held for 10 years.
“(I thought) this is everything I’ve ever wanted, and I’m going to get these amazing opportunities to make a difference and to build up these relationships with these animals and to share this and we’re going to change the world,” Pirtle said.
But much like Hargrove, Pirtle said she saw her dream crumble.
“And then you go behind the scenes, and you start to realize that just like everything in life, there’s another side to things, and it’s still a business,” Pirtle said.
Hargrove agreed SeaWorld’s main concern is profit, and said its actions do not ensure the safety of the whales or the trainers.
“Their upmost priority is their profit. It’s not the animals, or we wouldn’t be taking calves away from their mother or re-artificially inseminating them their very first cycle that they have after they’ve given birth and nursing their young. We wouldn’t be putting whales in a pool that is eight feet deep for shows that they can’t even turn around in,” he said.
SeaWorld disputed these claims in its statement.
According to Hargrove and Pirtle, SeaWorld practices artificial insemination on killer whales to keep the gene line going, ensuring there are many Shamus for years to come. But Hargrove said these practices can be stressful to the animals, lead to inbreeding, and calves don’t always survive.
And even whales who have natural pregnancies in captivity face issues. Pirtle said Unna, one of the whales at Seaworld San Antonio, lost three calves during her time there, one of them in the middle of a show.
“One show a trainer was working with Unna in the slide out and something fell out of her. After the show, they continued on with the show, after the show they dove into the pool and picked up the pieces of a calf fetus,” Pirtle said..
Hargrove said in the future he would like to see an end to killer whale shows.
“There’s no dignity in those shows, there’s no dignity for the trainers, but I don’t care about the trainers at this point because the trainers can leave – like I left,” Hargrove said.

Are these not 2 of the trainers who those same Seaworld fans cheered for whilst they were doing what they wanted them to do? Aren't these still the same trainers or does it seem like a bit of toys out of the pram, now they are not doing what those same fans want them to do?
Of course even though many ex trainers say the same thing, its not Seaworld's fault is it?  They didn't see things they thought were wrong did they?They didn't both leave because they realised the lies Seaworld had spun over the deaths of their friends did they?

Who's fault was it then that trainers at Seaworld felt this way?

Even in the interview with Eric Davis who spends sooo much time trying his hardest to discredit anyone against Seaworld  here
Bridgette Pirtle stated when asked
What would Bridgette do if she was in charge of SeaWorld?  

“I would end animals for entertainment purposes, and stop the breeding program.”

Does Eric pull Bridgette down for stating this - NO so why is she different to anyone else, even when speaking to the self proclaimed hero of Seaworld she says she would end the shows and stop the breeding programme.

Then there is this which all the Seaworld fans try to make John seem like a liar for, yet they fail to realise that Seaworld themselves confirm the incident as John says it happened. As they take great pleasure in telling the likes of myself, research is the key, maybe they should have done some.

 Luckily for John the proof is there which proves both Kyle Kittleson and Wendy Rameriz as liars.

John states "Kyle Kittleson, told everybody I ran into a screen," Hargrove explained. "I do not know Kyle Kittleson, I have never worked with Kyle Kittleson, he has never done waterwork with killer whales and he was not there when this incident happened. Yet according to him, I ran into a jumbotron."
A personal low for the former trainer came via his colleague and good friend, Wendy Ramirez. Currently employed by SeaWorld, Ramirez outwardly lied, Hargrove said, when she filmed the video below and accused him of hitting, "his head on the side of a pool jumping into a shallow area." Ramirez then concluded, "it had nothing to do with the animals at all." 

 In direct contention with Ramirez' statement and Kyle Kittleson's  is SeaWorld's own 69-point critique of the 'Blackfish' documentary. "If you look at point 49," Hargrove explained, "SeaWorld writes in the first sentence that my injury 'had nothing whatsoever to do with any whale'. Yet in the next sentence," he added, "they describe me as doing a footpush into a stageslide. Did I jettison myself across the stage?"
Hargrove said SeaWord's final version of how he injured his face occurred during a park-wide employee meeting, held in San Diego in mid-May. An insider informed him that Robbin Sheets, the Assistant Curator at Shamu Stadium, had accused him of performing a dangerous maneuver with a killer whale:

In reality, I was doing the same run that I always did, the only difference was the speed of Corky, which was abnormal in that situation. That's what caused the injury to happen." Hargrove said he was jettisoned, "so abnormally fast by Corky, that it caused another senior trainer I was pre-planned to tackle on stage, to back out out of the way. (see video below for the same move)   This other trainer's own words at the time, were, "you were going way too fast ... there was no way I was going to let you hit me that hard'." Hargrove's injury itself was documented, the former trainer said, but he received no oral or written warning from SeaWorld management: If I had screwed up, it would have been documented in my file. And none of that exists. There is no documentation of anyone ever having a conversation with me over a run that was too dangerous, because it wasn't.

Read the full interview here

As Seaworld themselves confirmed the incident was from a footpush and therefore DID involve a whale, what do Kyle Kittleson and Wendy Rameriz have to say about that, Seaworld contradict them and therefore makes them out to be liars.

Ask yourself a few questions before believing everything that Seaworld have to say.

 

Why would long standing trainers give up the roles with animals they loved?

 

Why would Seaworld employees risk their own reputations by blatantly lying when the evidence is there from Seaworld itself?

 

Ask yourself, who was responsible for the deaths of those people in the orca tanks, when there had been sooo many warnings in their history?When were those trainers and orcas going to come first and why did it take the deaths of safety conscious experienced trainers to bring it to a halt? 

 

Lastly ask yourself why was Dawn and the other trainers in the water only 2 days after Keto killed Alex Martinez? His autopsy report shows Keto intentionally killed him, he wasn't drowned and Keto is a born and bred Seaworld orca, so why did Seaworld not give the death the same respect as Dawn's if they had Dawn would still be here.

 

Seaworld is lying, we know it, the evidence proves it and they know it too, the only people who need to see it for themselves is those who shout the loudest to support Seaworld. Look at their websites, their blogs and see how many lies they tell you too, Lies debunked with factual evidence over and over again.

 

Look at the biggest lie in court - SEAWORLD BLAMED DAWN FOR HER OWN DEATH, documented in the OSHA v Seaworld court files.

 

 Now tell me why you think these people are lying and Seaworld aren't! 

 

Does this look like someone who didn't love those whales, or does it look like someone who was fed up of the lies Seaworld told over and over which is echoed by ALL the trainers who have left?